‘It’s not about achieving; its understanding what it’s like to sit down and imagine God sitting down next to you on a park bench, on your good days and your bad days. When you’re crying, when you’re laughing’. 

Counsellor Craig Gemmell talks with Lizzie Oakes about the ways he used to struggle to find the presence of God compared to how he is now readily able to access the presence of God.    

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