There has been plenty of rumors and speculation about the relationship between Vice President Pence and President Trump after what occurred during the objections to certifying electors as well as the Capitol Hill riot. It was reported that Pence and Trump hadn’t spoken for a week. Tony Katz has spent time with Pence, but wouldn’t call him a close friend. He knows enough though to make an educated guess about what is going on in the Vice President’s head.

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