Coffee with Samso Episode 104 is with Florence Drummond, CEO & Co-Founder of IWIMRA (Indigenous Women in Mining and Resources Australia).     ESG are three letters that is taking centre stage in the world of mineral commodities. It is a topic of discussion in every conversation but we ask, where does First Nation members fit in the discussion.   In this episode of Coffee With Samso, Florence Drummond and I are discussing where does engagement with the Indigenous sector fit into the whole ESG statement. How do we measure Social Performance without making it about pointing fingers.   There are many forms of engagement which are not industry specific. Crossing into other business to encourage participation with the company is a great way of engagement. We discuss several methods and ways to form relationships with companies and indigenous platforms which create mutual benefits.   Chapters   00:00 Introduction 01:02 Where Does Indigenous Engagement Fit in ESG? 02:26 How do our sector get into the middle road? 03:43 How is the process of Indigenous people moving into employment? 04:44 How do we measure Social Performance? 06:22 Has the Indigenous sector been active in getting into the Field workplace? 10:07 What has been happening in the IWIMRA area? 11:11 90% of mineral exploration companies do not have a Indigenous policy. 12:32 Has the Indigenous suppliers increased over the time? 14:18 Other ways of engaging with Indigenous people in non-mining business. 15:18 Social engagement can be more about indigenous private business. 17:29 Why are Indigenous business not more 'In Your Face". 18:55 How does IWIMRA get involved in promoting Indigenous business. 20:49 People need to get into the media space to create engagement. 22:36 Sustainable Investments and ESG is here to stay. 23:18 Conclusion