Ian talks staying punk by rejecting arbitrary authority. He also addresses the depths of hatred, even in the name of tolerance. We discuss the use of apocalyptic language as a fear tactic, cognitive dissonance, blaming humans rather than their tools, the talent behind social media marketing, and passion needing direction. We leap from escaping the good/evil binary to the limits of communes and free markets. We ask if the monotonous labor and helplessness of task specialization will require universal basic income as careers based on work dwindle. Ending political segregation and exploitation of children, increasingly complex television characters and sunken cost fallacy arise before we finally conclude with a major realization about why we refuse to humanize those who hate.