In a week during which Keir Starmer’s Labour tanked in the local elections, I speak to two brilliant local leaders who managed to defy this trend. Matthew Brown is leader of Preston City Council and the driving force behind the Preston Model, as well as the co-author of Paint Your Town Red, which you can buy now from Repeater Books. Paul Dennett is the city-mayor of Salford, and frequent contributor to Tribune, including a recent piece on why socialist Salford bucked the trend in the recent elections.

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