The churches of Smyrna and Pergamum were about as different as could be, judging by Jesus’ letters: He had no criticism at all for Smyrna, while Jesus said Pergamum was “where Satan dwells.”

Dr. Mike Spaulding, author of Letters from Jesus, joins us to discuss Revelation 2:8–17—the letters to Smyrna and Philadelphia and what we can learn from them today.