In this conversation, with musician, musical soul, Sambadá member, and co-conspirator, Annie Stafford, we explore white responsibility in ending racism. As a "Black-bodied" person, I have come to see that the labor associated with ending racism has largely been placed on "bodies of culture" (bodies of culture is a term to describe Black, Indigenous, People of Color coined by Resmaa Menakem). I also believe, ending racism requires the labor of white bodied people. Racism and oppression hurts all people - including white bodied people. To that end, conversations like this one feel necessary. Thank you, Annie, for being willing to have this Soul-Centered Conversation.

As I begin to prep for my film on truth, reconciliation, and reparations I will be having conversations with friends, community members, and wisdom keepers about ending racism and oppression.