On this episode, we discussed the work of Whitney Houston, who is the best. Our conversation touched on: bad breakup behavior, Taylor Swift, song lyrics vs. poems, the most powerful "and" in music, direct address, seeking advice, mom-as-inner voice, dancing as a stand-in for sex, children, memory, and songs of innocence, songs of experience.

Our theme song, as always, is by Golden West Service featuring Shreddie Vedder.

Marisa's book, ⁠Diary⁠.