Sometimes the Bible is very straightforward and clear, and sometimes it likes to speak in symbolic language, especially when it comes to prophetic books like Revelation. And one of the most mysterious topics of this last book of the Bible is the 144,000. Who are these people? Is the number literal or symbolic? And how can we be a part of them? All of that and more in today’s episode with Dr Steven Grabiner, who is a walking encyclopedia when it comes to the books of Daniel and Revelation.