In this fourth episode of our series on biblical eldership, Pastor Eric Noorthoek and guest Joseph Rios tackle one of the most common points of confusion in church life: the distinction between elders and deacons. What does Scripture say about their respective roles? Are they interchangeable? Are deacons a “stepping stone” to eldership—or something altogether different? Drawing from passages like Acts 6 and 1 Timothy 3, this conversation aims to bring clarity where there is often ambiguity. You’ll come away with a deeper appreciation for the beauty of God’s design for church leadership: elders who shepherd the flock through the ministry of the Word, and deacons who serve faithfully to support and strengthen that work.