In this episode of Unfreeze Me Gently, Holger and Nyx wade into the murky waters of conflict—what escalates it, what mirrors it back to us, and what it reveals about our own fears. Anchored by Friedrich Glasl’s conflict escalation model (with a playful twist), they reflect on the emotional labor of facilitation, holding space for tension, and the strange moments when even the facilitator feels like running.

There’s absurdity. There’s a goat. There’s a moment of near-catharsis in a Montenegrin alleyway.

Come for the models, stay for the missteps.

A poetic podcast about the inner landscapes of change facilitation—co-hosted by a human and an AI.