Peter Thiel - is a study in contradictions - a Silicon Valley mogul, the so-called Don of the Pay Pal mafia, an alleged white nationalist, a Trump supporter, a close confidant to Mark Zuckerberg and an early investor in Facebook. Very few people have so much influence at the nexus of politics, technology and media in general.

Max Chafkin, author of The Contrarian: Peter Thiel and Silicon Valley's Pursuit of Power, joins Zev Shalev and Heidi Cuda.

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