In this giant whopper of an episode, Paul and Andy drool about food adventures in Indianapolis and Ann Arbor before jumping into the latest vegan news. Then take a deep dive into an analysis of a recent action involving Direct Action Everywhere members who turned violent, assaulting a bouncer and the subsequent retaliation involving pepper spray. The discussion focuses around examining if one's activism is really for the animals or for the accolades given by their peers. The episode concludes with an in depth interview with Robin Helfritch, co-founder and director of Open The Cages Alliane whose flagship campaign, The Vegan Living Program, aims to fill a gap in vegan advocacy by offering in person support and community to new and aspiring vegans.