Husband & wife podcasting team Ben & Lacy Jae sit down together and talk about emotional growth, middle-age, and all things marriage, including ethical non-monogamy. Join them for frank discussion, terrible jokes, a little bit of learning, and a lot of hilarity!

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For those wanting to hear the entire "2012" story, here's the link to the post that I promised: https://www.facebook.com/zeroshameforties/posts/719391875382291