If there's something strange in your economy, who you gonna call? Growthbusters! And that's exactly what we did. In this episode, Brian chats with renowned podcaster, conservationist, and director of the movie Growthbusters: Hooked on Growth, Dave Gardner, about advancing the steady state economy, his forays into local politics, and his laudable, affable, and often (intentionally) laughable efforts to put de-growth on the big screen.