What happens when Washington Post Columnist Megan McArdle and R Street Expert Nan Swift try to figure out who is running the government? A live episode of Red Tape!

On this episode, co-hosts Kelli Pierce has a live, wide-ranging conversation about budgets, Congress, power, and the government as part of the R Street Institute's 2025 Real Solutions Summit. (The conversation begins with co-hosts Pierce and Shoshana Weissmann talking briefly about if social media really runs the government before they are joined by Swift and McArdle.)

The 2025 Real Solutions Summit brought together leaders in public policy, media, philanthropy, and the private sector who believe our best days are still ahead if we can unleash American innovation, bolster competition, and safeguard individual liberty. Learn more at: https://www.rstreet.org/summit2025/