Hateful conflict permeates our politics and, too often, our private lives. It infects our ability to think clearly and consumes our time and energy.

Amanda Ripley's groundbreaking journalism and books are being taken up by citizens and legislators to chart a new way forward. In this conversation with the award-winning Krista Tippett - a collaboration between On Being and the Humphrey School of Public Affairs - they explore why we get trapped in conflicts and how we can break the spiral.