A few months ago, Steph asked Sam for a promotion. This was no easy task.

But why was it so difficult as a 23-year-old female to ask for a raise? More broadly Why are women still promoted less than men?

To figure that out, we talked to Kathy Garfield, CEO of Keller Companies--who rose to the top of a construction company owned by her grandfather who did not believe in female leadership and Lori Sokol, executive director of Women’s eNews, a news outlet devoted to women’s issues globally. The icing on the cake is a deliciously awkward recap of when Steph, our host, asked Sam, our other host, for a promotion.