Whether you're in insurance or not, this is a story about leadership under pressure, disciplined decision-making, and the mindset it takes to bet on yourself.

Jordan Lanford, Global Head of Aviation at Rokstone, joins James and Ian to talk about risk, speed, and rebuilding a legacy-dominated market from a blank slate.

From pilot school to global leadership, Jordan shares how his team is reshaping aviation underwriting through deep technical conviction, smarter tools, and an ownership mindset.

This episode dives into what happens when you stop waiting for innovation and start building it yourself - revealing why clarity, culture, and trust matter more than bureaucracy when the pressure’s on.

Listen as we discuss…

(00:00) From childhood obsession with flight to pilot school

(01:34) 9/11, furlough, and the unexpected pivot into insurance

(03:27) Aviation underwriting in plain English

(04:31) Are planes really becoming less safe? Jordan sets the record straight

(05:18) Building an aviation business from a blank slate

(06:39) What large-carrier experience taught his team

(07:45) The moment he knew Rokstone’s approach was different

(08:31) Tech that “doesn’t exist yet” - and why timing matters

(10:21) Why big carriers struggle to innovate

(11:20) What underwriting discipline actually looks like

(13:25) Becoming a business owner - autonomy, risk, and responsibility

(15:54) How MGAs have evolved - and where Rokstone fits

(17:48) Flipping the 70/30 rule: admin vs. value creation

(20:23) Risk-taking, adrenaline, and big decisions

(23:31) Building a high‑performance team with different strengths

(26:05) Aviation voices at global industry tables - why it matters

(33:57) The advice he’d give his younger self

(36:30) His dream lunch guest…

KEY INSIGHTS

Innovation needs autonomy: speed requires trust and decision-making at the edge

High-performing teams thrive on diversity of background, not uniformity

Underwriting discipline means doing the right thing - even when no one’s watching

Legacy systems slow you down - building fresh lets you unlock new value

Ownership shifts how you think: about risk, about leadership, and about people

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Jordan Lanford: Global Head of Aviation, Rokstone

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