"I don't want to talk about this." That's how Joy opens — and honestly, most of us feel the same way about pain. So we numb it, cover it, and build beautiful glass houses to look fine while we're bleeding on the inside. In this real, raw, tender episode, Joy and Shannon sit in the truth we keep running from: the healing hurts. By His stripes we are healed — but healing, like surgery, often hurts more on the back side than the wound ever did. They talk about why we lick our wounds instead of letting them close, the "skim coats" we slap over the cracks in our foundation (a new car, a new haircut, a fresh start), and the difference between numbing pain and actually being made well. Shannon shares the unforgettable story of her daughter Bailey's 30 days in a burn unit — and what it taught her about letting the Great Physician tend the wounds we'd rather hide. And she opens up about her own season of being set aside to finally heal, because you can't climb off the operating table mid-surgery and expect to be whole. Wherever your pain is today: don't run from it. Lean into Him. Scripture references: Isaiah 53:5 • Jeremiah 30:17 • Isaiah 43:2 • John 5:1–9 • Matthew 11:28 Ways to Connect: Website: JourneyLivingMinistries.com Email: [email protected] Facebook: Journey Living Ministries Instagram: Journey Living Ministries YouTube: @Journeyliving2911 Also on Spotify Apple Music iHeart Radio Find Joy: Website: BootCampForTheBlues.com Facebook: JoyWareMiller - iJoyInspirations