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Why IoT Is Difficult with Jonathan Beri

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Welcome Jonathan Beri, founder of Golioth!

Today’s episode is sponsored by Mouser Electronics, who are discussing RISC-V. Check out their page on resources about RISC-V and how you can purchase kits that include chips using the open source ISA and learn more about how they can benefit your project.

  • What makes IoT so hard? "It's a system of systems"
  • Commercial off the shelf (COTS) systems are whitelabeled hardware with custom firmware/software
  • We use a brief example of a forest fire sensor using the ABC board
  • Firmware and security models
  • AWS IoT vs Azure IoT platforms
  • Implications of choosing a cloud provider
  • Jon has a background in hardware
  • He started at Google working on Firebase. Later they attempted a "Firebase for Arduino" that did not pan out.
  • He then joined Nest shortly after the Google acquisition, working on the communications.
  • Procurement and planning was interesting for Nest, especially because they added sensors that weren't available to the user / firmware right away.
  • Thread is a protocol that creates mesh network on a wide range of radios
  • Every device can talk to one another
  • It uses 2.4 GHz and is built on top of 802.15.4
  • How do thread devices get back to the internet?
  • OpenThread runs on nrf52840
  • Tutorial on OpenThread
  • After Nest, Jon went to Particle and worked on embedded
  • OpenThread based
  • There were lots of adventures with early Cat-M1 on the Ublox R410B
  • Particle bought RedBear, a Chinese startup with a lot of RF knowledge
  • Hardware is designed by Mohit Bhoite, who has been on Embedded.fm and also is a circuit sculpture master
  • Jon's last job was at WeWork (RIP?)
  • He wanted to learn more on the cloud side of things.
  • There were a number of WeWork sites spread out over 600 buildings. Each of these has a physical security need (door locks, turnstiles, etc)
  • The challenge is that his team didn't own or have the ability to change the hardware
  • Wanted to build the experience
  • Proxy (startup)
  • Going towards solving some of these problems
  • Physical constraints
  • ABC board
  • Vertically integrated embedded platform
  • Particle B523
  • Hardware matters
  • Android Things, now depricated
  • Building scooters
  • Nest door lock with Yale
  • FreeRTOS with AWS
  • Who do you hire to do the "in-between" hardware and the web?
  • Reasons IoT products fail
  • IT cares about setup, managing it, integrating into business process
  • Enterprise cnversations and managing devices
  • Fleet management
  • Fleet stuff is normally for the business person
  • Golioth
  • Jon wrote about CoAP and how it works
  • Chris wishes there is a site like BuiltWith...but for IoT devices
  • Protocols are an arbitrage opportunity
  • Internet is now standard part of RTOSes
    • Mongoose
    • Contiki
    • Riot OS
    • NuttX
    • HALs (Hardware Abstraction Layers) or PALs (Platform Abstraction Layers)
    • "Where's the porting guide vs where's the hello world"
    • Find Jon on
      • Twitter
      • Zephyr slack
      • The Interrupt (associated blog)
      • Sign up for more info about the upcoming platform on Golioth.io
      • More info about Jon's stealth mode startup on Stacey on IoT
        • Thanks to our Patrons for sponsoring today's show as well!
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