On this episode of the Grapevine, Kulja and Dylan get on the line with Emeritus Professor of Strategic Studies, Hugh White, to talk about Australia's America-centric approach to strategic policy in the Indo-pacific. Prof White explores the high stakes geo-politics of the Pacific in the latest edition of The Quarterly Essay, Sleepwalk to War: Australia's Unthinking Alliance with America. And Guardian Australia’s Victorian state correspondent, Benita Kolovos, calls in to discuss the mass resignation of senior ministers in the Victorian Government and what it means for November's state election.