Cyber crime continues to grow each year, but should organizations give up fighting it? On this episode of Unspoken Security, host AJ Nash speaks with Robert Duncan from Netcraft, who argues the answer is absolutely not. Robert makes the case that fighting cyber crime is worth the effort, even when it feels like an endless battle.

Robert challenges the common view that "whack-a-mole" tactics are pointless. He believes the key is changing the game from single-player to multiplayer whack-a-mole. By working with domain registrars, hosting providers, and government agencies, defenders can hit criminals at multiple points in their attack chain. This coordinated response makes cyber crime more expensive and less profitable for attackers.

The conversation covers everything from traditional phishing to sophisticated pig butchering scams. Robert shares how Netcraft uses AI to engage with scammers and gather intelligence at scale. He also discusses the national security implications of cyber crime and why whole-of-government responses in countries like Australia and the UK show promise for reducing fraud rates.

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