Modern pediatrics is breaking parents and burning out doctors - and most families have no idea why it feels so rushed, confusing, and lonely.

In this episode of Out of Network, Dr. Rishi Seth sits down with Dr. Lisa Hayes (founder of Hayes Pediatric) for a no-fluff conversation about what changes when pediatric care is built around families instead of throughput.

You’ll hear:

• A behind-the-scenes look at why many pediatric visits feel like a blur (10 to 15 minutes is the reality in a lot of practices)
•  What concierge / direct pediatric care actually looks like in real life
•  Why Dr. Hayes does home visits within 48 hours of newborn discharge and continues home visits until 2 months
•  The baby “products” parents waste money on (and the ones that don’t belong in the crib)
•  What’s normal vs not normal in the first months, including crying and sleep
•  Why sleep training is not one-size-fits-all and how she frames it without guilt
•  How she handles vaccine anxiety in a world where parents are drowning in noise and fear
•  What made her leave traditional pediatrics and build a model she would want for her own family

Timestamps

00:50 – What “pediatrics designed around families” actually means
03:49 – What it looks like to join Hayes Pediatric
04:17 – Home visits within 48 hours after discharge
05:18 – The baby product trap parents don’t need
06:50 – The crib setup mistake families don’t realize is risky
09:10 – Crying peaks around 6 weeks and what parents should know
10:30 – Sleep training: when to start and why it’s not one method for everyone
24:53 – The part that breaks doctors: “Did I listen long enough?”
25:00 – The reality: 10 to 15 minutes per child
41:10 – Why you can’t counsel vaccine questions in 15 minutes
42:10 – CDC vs AAP confusion and what parents actually need

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Connect with the Hosts:
Dr. Ryon Parker → https://www.instagram.com/dr.ryonparker/
Parker Medical: https://parkermedical.org/
Dr. Rishi Seth → https://www.instagram.com/drrishiseth/
Seth Premiere Medical: https://sethmedical.com/

Dr. Lisa Hayes → https://www.instagram.com/hayespediatrics/

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 Out of Network is a bold, physician-led podcast hosted by Dr. Ryon Parker and Dr. Rishi Seth. Each week, they challenge the broken healthcare system and explore how medicine can be reimagined—through patient-first care, prevention, and real human stories.

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