Jill Vialet (Founder of Playworks) joins Phil to discuss her new book; Why Play Works - Big Changes Start Small. In this conversation Jill shares;

- Her introduction to play and how she forged a career in this industry

- A story about a colleague interacting with a school that didn't have recess

- How the research supports the importance of play

- The activity that she often ends her programs with.

Find out more about Playworks - playworks.org

Find out more about Jill - jillvialet.com