What if “growing up” isn’t something we outgrow, but a process leaders and organizations must intentionally shape?

In this episode, Chris and Mark challenge modern assumptions about adolescence, psychological safety, and leadership development. They unpack why ancient identity rituals mattered, what happens when “being” and “doing” get conflated, and how real impact is more than just making people feel safe. You’ll learn why creating space is only half the equation and why high-performance cultures demand more than comfort.

You’ll hear:

Why adolescence is a social invention (and what it means for your team)

The hidden risks of overvaluing psychological safety

How to separate “who you are” from “what you do”

Why leadership means finishing the job, not just starting the conversation

The real formula for impact: right motive + right action