From Phantasy Star IV to Elder Scrolls IV, RPGs have a way of enduring. In this conversation, we celebrate the genre’s persistence, from the grind that comforts casual players to the progression systems that now define almost every game. Alongside that, we explore remakes as both art and business: when they succeed (Last of Us, Resident Evil) and when the shine wears off. Some bonus historical content around Switch pre-order frenzy.