A conversation about effort, overwhelm, and the small steps that change everything.

This episode pulls back the curtain on the dialogue that shaped our latest Ethos message. We talk about the extremes we slip into — doing too much, doing nothing, taking credit, carrying all the weight — and how the story of Ruth helped us rethink what it means to participate in the work of God and the life of the church.

If you’ve ever felt too small for the moment or too responsible for everything, this conversation is for you.