Why do so many people still hesitate to embrace crypto? In this episode, Lianna sits down with Ivar Wiersma from LayerZero to explore the root causes of crypto skepticism—and how better user experience (UX) could be the key to broader adoption. 

We unpack everything from the confusing nature of crypto apps, the fragmentation across chains and wallets, to how interoperability can simplify the ecosystem. Ivar also discusses how lessons from traditional banking apps could help crypto go mainstream, and why making crypto more intuitive doesn’t mean alienating advanced users. 

💡 Highlights include: 

• Why crypto remains misunderstood or distrusted 
• The usability gap in crypto apps vs traditional finance 
• Real-world examples of projects improving interoperability 
• The UX balance between simplicity for beginners and power for experts 
• What features might finally win over skeptics 

Whether you're crypto-native or crypto-curious, this episode is packed with insights on how user-centric design could shape the next chapter of digital finance.