“Skills only matter if they solve a real business problem.” 

In the last episode, we explored why skills require a deeper understanding of the work being done and why HR and L&D cannot build this alone. This conversation picks up that thread and moves it into the real world. 

Sandra Loughlin, PhD, Chief Learning Scientist at EPAM, joins me to show what a skills-based organisation looks like when it is designed around data, roles, and the actual needs of the business. We explore how EPAM unified its skills ecosystem, blending formal and informal learning, and strengthened skills verification through internal and external evidence.

We also look ahead at how agentic AI will reshape what people learn and how they learn it. Sandra makes the case that AI will be the first major shift in human learning since the printing press and that it is on people leaders to lean in, even when the change feels uncomfortable.

If you are trying to understand what a practical, scalable skills strategy looks like, this conversation is for you.

Some curious takeaways:

• Anchor your skills to a real business need and build from there
• Connect people data with work data so learning becomes practical and relevant
• Give employees access to both formal and informal learning so they can actually grow

Episode highlights:

(00:00) Welcome to Harald’s Curious Corner

(03:29) How skills became a business framework, not an HR project

(07:14) Why skills fail without business metrics behind them

(11:32) Building a human-centred L&D strategy in the age of AI

(14:41) Why unified data layers matter more than tools

(21:02) Using skills data to align HR strategy with business goals

(29:19) How learning systems support a skills-based approach

(35:05) Turning perceptual data into actionable insights for skills development

(38:30) Learning culture makes employees thrive

(41:51) How AI will reshape what and how we learn

(43:20) Curious Corner Takeaways

Connect with the guests:

Matthew J Daniel on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandraloughlin/ 

Explore EPAM Systems: https://www.epam.com/

Explore the EPAM Skills Case Study: https://www.epam.com/insights/analyst-reports/forrester-case-study-epams-early-adoption-of-skills-data-predated-the-market 

Explore Sandra’s writing on skills: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1naB08bm6hYl_1qsKOHXJAh7od1D_y7GzyhAJwQmL1Jc/edit?pli=1&tab=t.0

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Harald Overaa on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/haraldovera/ 

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