This week, the Optimists are back for a candid conversation about the origin of their creative passions and why they're still fighting to pursue those dreams. The two reminisce on early creative sparks, the highs and lows of the education system, and the reality of navigating an industry that wasn’t built with them in mind. Along the way, they unpack confidence, competition, representation, and what it really means to bet on yourself when the path isn’t stable or straightforward.