In this podcast Alex Stamos, Chris Krebs and Patrick Gray discuss the relationship between cybercrime and the state, which is often more complicated than it should be.

While the US Government and its allies fight the scourge of ransomware, other governments are using it to either raise revenue or irritate their foes. North Korea sees ransomware as a money spinner, while the Kremlin enjoys poking the west in the eye with it.

Join us for a breakdown of the relationships between governments who should know better and the worst types of people on the planet.