In this episode I chat with my friend John Allen.

In the 60s we used the word 'cool' a lot. Looking back I can see that I put a lot of effort into trying to be 'cool'. I tried not to make problems, and I tried not to over-react to problems. I tried to keep a level head - not always an easy thing to do in some of the circumstances we found ourselves in. Why am I saying this - because spending an hour recording this podcast with John, made me feel as if I had lived through those years in a pretty tame way.

All the music in this episode is composed and played by John.

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