How can cloud economics of hyperscalar clouds be used to ended or limit their control? We discussed the state of the cloud ecosystem with a focus on where its going to go. After a full, rich, and dynamic conversation, we came back to security security, software (as opposed to SaaS), owning your own infrastructure, and the ROI of that infrastructure.

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