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Check out this post for the discussion that is the basis of our conversation on this week's episode co-hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), the producer of CISO Series, and Geoff Belknap (@geoffbelknap). Joining us is Joe Lewis, CISO, CDC.

In this episode:

• Don't underestimate the quality of life benefits
• We're still learning
• What is the case for return-to-office?
• Moving past gimmicks

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