In this episode I'm joined by Tom Landon-Smith and Abhinandan Willis, who built Ultra-Trail Australia from humble beginnings into the world's third-largest endurance and trail running festival.

It might seem like a strange place to talk about work, but we walk through gathering a team of great humans around a purpose, self-transcendence, trust, autonomy and much more. There's a lot here for leaders around scaling and organising principles if you choose to listen.

Thanks to Bensound for our jaunty intro and exit music, and to Fina Charleson for her production support.