William, a political giant of the time and the likely partner to our 15th president James Buchanan. We discuss the necessity for intimate male friendship and how these two brought DC nightlife back. Veering sightly from what you might expect on a FLOTUS pod, but this story of love, confidence, partnership and politics has got to be told.

Also, we run 10 miles, Claire still can't find the matrix and Elyse gets a new floor lamp.