In this special episode, Carrie hands over to Anthony on hosting duties for a special episode featuring Head of Referee Operations at the Scottish Football Association - Willie Collum.

Anthony and Willie are joined by fellow referees, Duncan Nicholson and Jana Brady who talk about the skills and characteristics required to make it to the top of the game.

Listen to hear about how to get into refereeing, the opportunities being a ref offers and also where it can be tough!

Enjoy this special episode.