What if the biggest risk from AI isn’t superintelligence gone rogue, but the inflexibility of our human institutions?

My guest today, Tyler Cowen, thinks so. Tyler is a professor at George Mason university and one of the most celebrated economists in the world. And unlike many AI proponents, Tyler strongly challenges the idea that intelligence alone determines outcomes in society, and instead points to us humans as the real bottlenecks shaping our future, for better or worse.

Together with my occasional co-host Igor Kurganov, we debate why he thinks diffusion and human adoption matter more than raw capability, and why markets remain one of the most under-appreciated signals in conversations about AI risk. Tyler also shares his views on economic growth, UBI, automation, persuasion, state capacity, why fears of mass unemployment and civilizational collapse are often overstated.

And of course, we explore what it takes to design win-win systems that scale without collapsing under their own incentives.

Oh and we discuss aliens too! A really fun one, hope you enjoy.

Chapters: 

00:00 - Introduction

01:40 – Market Driven Addiction

14:38 – Wealth Plus

17:28 – State Capacity Libertarianism

25:29 – Why Is Carbon Tax Failing?

27:14 – Climate Engineering

29:45 – Pharmaceutical Pricing

36:45 – Designing Incentives

37:24 – AI’s Impact on the Economy

53:24 – AI’s Impact on Tyler

55:25 – Universal Basic Income

59:25 – AI Timelines

01:10:45 – AI Risk Reflected in Markets

01:18:25 – Convincing Future Risk Scenarios

01:20:57 – AI as a Super Persuader

01:30:51 – Is Tyler Competitive?

01:41:39 – Strangest Beliefs & Aliens

01:46:14 – Rapid-Fire Predictions

Links: 

♾️ Tyler’s X: https://x.com/tylercowen?lang=en 

♾️ Tyler’s website: https://tylercowen.com 

♾️ Tyler’s blog: https://marginalrevolution.com 

♾️ Meditations on Moloch: https://www.slatestarcodexabridged.com/Meditations-On-Moloch

Credits:

♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree

♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico

The Win-Win Podcast:

Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins.

Podcast links:

♾️ Youtube:   https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S

♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f 

♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 

♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2

What if the purpose of life is to find ways of harmonizing the forces of nature, including the nature of ourselves?

My guest this week thinks so. I sat down with systems thinker and "True Human" author Samantha Sweetwater to talk about the metacrisis and the future of civilization in the age of AI. Samantha’s work bridges complexity science, indigenous wisdom, embodiment, and systems theory to explore how humans might transition from domination and extraction toward relationship, reciprocity, and long-term resilience.

We discuss why modern institutions are struggling to adapt, how technology differs fundamentally from biological systems, and why aligning AI without accounting for the biosphere may be a category error. The conversation also explores kinship versus the hero’s journey, power over life versus the power of life, and what a truly win-win civilization might require.

If you’re interested in AI alignment, systems change, ecology, or the deeper roots of the meta-crisis, this conversation offers a radically different lens.

Chapters:

02:18 – Samantha’s Backstory

11:55 – Finite And Infinite Games

17:00 – True Human

21:55 – Exploring Dreams

34:28 – The Great Separation

38:51 – Power Of Life vs Power OVER life

44:36 – The Balance Between Masculine And Feminine

1:05:23 – Observing An Animate World

1:14:45 – Achieving Transmigration

1:24:28 – Practices To Become More True Human

1:42:14 – On AI Alignment

1:59:58 – Begin To Embody Intelligence

2:06:31 – Why Homo Sapiens Exist To Serve Sentience

Links:

♾️ True Human Book: https: //www.samanthasweetwater.com/truehuman

♾️ Samantha’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samanthasweetwater

♾️ Samantha's Substack: https://enlifenment.substack.com

♾️ Daniel Schmachtenberger x Win-Win: https: //youtu.be/KCSsKV5F4xc?si=lM7urTngFNuJ4oZx

♾️ Silent Spring: https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Spring

Credits:

♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree

♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico

The Win-Win Podcast:

Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins.

Podcast links:

♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S

♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f

♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350

♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2

#AI #indigenouswisdom

Britain was once a beacon of liberty, and the birthplace of the industrial revolution. So why is its economy floundering, while the USA is surging? Has a culture of extreme bureaucracy turned the former global powerhouse into a stagnant "nanny state"?

My guest today is Katie Lam, a Member of Parliament willing to speak uncomfortable truths. From the grooming gangs scandal, to anarcho-tyranny, to an environmental planning system that prioritises newts over nuclear electricity, we learn how an inappropriate fear of risk is suffocating the British soul.

We also tackle one of the most difficult conversations facing the West today: the failure of multicultural integration, and why the fear of being labeled "racist" has allowed unspeakable crimes like child grooming gangs to go unpunished for so long. Lastly, we hear her inside view on political rivalries (and friendships!), and how politicians can harness the power of competition and cooperation to generate real meaningful change.

So if, like me, you’re concerned about the creeping loss of adult agency, and righting institutional wrongs, I highly recommend this episode!

Chapters:

01:58 - Introduction

02:20 - UK vs US economies

03:49 - Is British Decline Systemic, or Cultural?

12:41 - When did the Nanny State Begin?

17:19 - Overregulation and Norma

20:24 - Reduction of Personal Freedoms

24:31 - The National Health Service (NHS)

29:51 - Consequences of Unexamined Laws

32:03 - Britain's Energy Policy & Nuclear Power

47:27 - Bravery and Honesty in Politics

50:55 - The Grooming Gangs Disaster

1:04:15 - Bad incentives for crime

1:14:28 - Culture and society

1:37:44 - How to Keep Talent in the UK?

1:48:48 - How to Make Britain an AI Leader?

1:53:50 - Quality of outcome on Brexit

1:57:29 - Parliament from the Inside

2:12:46 - Axioms to Live By

2:15:04 - Competition within politics

Links:

♾️ Katie’s Website: https://www.katieforkent.com/

♾️ Katie’s Grooming Gang Parliament Full Speech: https://youtu.be/suD-kWU45uw?si=bV0EgAngiSea_QPD&t=658

♾️ Nuclear Power “Fish Disco” article: https://www.cityam.com/labour-to-hold-fire-on-fish-disco-nuclear-power-reform-due-to-legal-advice/

♾️ Katie’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/katieforkent/?hl=en

♾️ Related Win-Win interview with Dominic Cummings -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boIi7cAPPnY

Credits:

♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree

♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico

The Win-Win Podcast:

Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins.

Podcast links:

♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S

♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f

♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350

♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2

#winwinpodcast #politics

Capitalism has historically been our biggest blessing. But what if it's now turning into our biggest curse? Is it time to change the game?

My guest today believes so. Jim Rutt is an early internet pioneer, complexity scientist, former chairman of the Santa Fe Institute, and co-founder of the Game B movement... and he has a lot to say about how our economic and technological systems have trapped us in addictive, self-reinforcing feedback loops. From smartphones engineered like slot machines to markets that manufacture desire rather than meet real needs, he argues that our current “Game A” world runs on a single signal — money-on-money return — and that this monoculture is quietly eroding both our agency, and planetary stability.

Which is where “Game B” comes in: a post-capitalist operating system built on multidimensional value, regenerative economies, and what he calls "membranes" — local, self-governing communities that cooperate through trust, technology, and shared sensemaking rather than rivalry and coercion.

So if, like me, you increasingly feel that modern life is engineered to keep us divided and distracted, I highly recommend this episode.

Liv

Chapters:

01:42 - intro

03:38 - Tech hygiene practices

06:57 - what was the motivation for tech sabbaticals?

10:12 - why do people love slots?

15:02 - When did Jim decide to build responsibly?

21:38 - status games

23:34 - The market as an information system

31:38 - have the status games moved primarily to digital

38:42 - definition of game A and game B

52:14 - How to prevent system collapse?

01:05:52 - Have any practical experiments been conducted on game B?

01:18:00 - why game A is self terminating

01:27:45 - how do declining populations factor into planetary boundaries?

01:39:41 - how do we exit the game when we are within it?

01:41:45 - defeating the "Big Man"

01:49:18 - Jim's trillion dollar idea

02:00:31 - AI consciousness

02:14:36 - Consciousness vs Intelligence

02:22:48 - the dangers of ascribing consciousness to AI

02:26:32 - Rapid fire predictions

02:28:53 - Jim's WIN-WIN

Links:

♾️ The Jim Rutt Show: https://www.jimruttshow.com

♾️ Jim’s X: https://x.com/jim_rutt?lang=en

♾️ Game B wiki: https://www.gameb.wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

♾️ Game B Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/gamebcore

♾️ Jim’s essay on smartphone dopamine: https://medium.com/@memetic007/reclaiming-our-cognitive-sovereignty-f49f30eb26bb

Credits:

♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree

♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico

The Win-Win Podcast:

Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins.

Podcast links:

♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S

♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f

♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350

♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2

Superintelligent AI is rapidly approaching, and humanity (specifically, the labs building it) is still a long way from proving it can be safely controlled. But what if that’s the wrong way of viewing the problem? Is there a way to instill values to the mutual benefit of both humans and machines?

In this episode of the Win-Win Podcast, Liv sits down with Emmett Shear — Twitch co-founder, former interim CEO of OpenAI and founder of Softmax — for a groundbreaking conversation on the future of AI alignment.

Emmett unpacks why the traditional “control alignment” approach, which tries to hard-code pre-determined values into AI, is destined to fail — and why “organic alignment,” inspired by nature, teamwork, and human societies, might be the only path forward for coexistence. From multicellularity to markets, he explains how collective identities form; why betrayal can sometimes be the moral choice; and how we might go about teaching AI to care for us as its own family, rather than see us as masters to obey (or perhaps more accurately, ants to squash).

Hear how Emmett's organisation Softmax is experimenting with small, goal-oriented agents in virtual worlds. Why superintelligence should emerge as societies of diverse AIs instead of a single runaway system. And how our own capacity for alignment as groups of humans may be the most powerful clue for what to do next.

If you’re ready to explore the very foundations of your assumptions around technology, philosophy and the nature of intelligence itself, this episode will be right up your alley...

Chapters:

00:48 - Intro.

01:04 - Organic Alignment.7

09:33 - The Formation Of Emergent Coordination.

16:01 - Techniques For Creating Alignment.

23:43 - What Is The Ideal Environment To Generate Alignment

30:09 - How Much Influence Is Projected On The Ai?

32:49 - The Global Super Organism That Is The Market.

40:41 - Group Questions.

40:50 - The Difference Between Coordination And Alignment.

43:02 - What Is The Win Condition For Softmax?

50:17 - How Do We Maintain The Need For Humans In The Loop?

58:57 - Selecting And Scaling The Right Alignment Model.

1:02:09 - Blowtorch Theory & Black Holes

1:04:48 - Agents Aligning With Each Other Isn't The Same As Aligning With Humans.

1:07:25 - Exploring Ai's Capability For Self Modification And Replication.

1:14:35 - The Difference Between Alignment Capacity And Aligning With Humanity.

1:18:38 - Does Emmett Believe In God?

1:25:23 - Are Humans The Appendix To The Future Super Intelligence?

1:32:17 - Is Training Ai On Human Ethics And Morality Actually A Good Idea?

1:36:17 - Will Ai Be Conscious Or Self Aware?

1:40:48 - One Axiom To Instill Into Ai's Being Created.

Links:

♾️Softmax - https://softmax.com/

♾️Nebulosity and Meaningness - https://meaningness.com/nebulosity♾️Black Holes and our evolving universe - https://theeggandtherock.com/p/in-which-i-tell-you-about-my-next

♾️AI Alignment Forum - https://www.alignmentforum.org/♾️Evolving Intrinsic Motivations for Altruistic Behaviour - https://arxiv.org/pdf/1811.05931

Credits:

♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree

♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico

The Win-Win Podcast:

Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins.Podcast

links:

♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S

♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f

♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350

♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2

#winwinpodcast #organicalignment #aialignment #ai #aisafety

Energy is the lifeblood of civilization. Is nuclear power the source of abundant clean energy that's been under our noses this whole time?

In this episode of the Win-Win Podcast, Liv sits down with Isabelle Boemeke (founder of Isodope & energy expert) to tackle the debate between abundance and degrowth, sustainability, safety & energy infrastructure concerns, AI and emerging technologies, and why biomass “renewables” are a giant planet destroying scam. We also get into some history: story from Atoms for Peace to Three Mile Island and the China Syndrome effect, unpacks how the IAEA keeps power and proliferation apart, and explores the promise of small/modular and micro-reactors. Also, techno-pastoralism. You heard it here first!

Chapters:

0:00 - Intro - Why Is Nuclear A Win-Win

1:06 - Isabelle's Backstory

7:08 - The Cognitive Impact Of Air Conditioning

10:13 - Renewables Vs Nuclear - Is It Really A Battle?

13:23 - Wind Energy

15:59 - Should America Lean Into Decentralised Energy Grids?

18:32 - The Problem With "Renewable" Labelling

23:49 - Better Labelling?

25:26 - Public Messaging: Simplicity VS Accuracy

29:11 - History Of Nuclear

41:38 - Nuclear Accidents e.g. Chernobyl

44:52 - What Would Have Happened If We'd Discovered Nuclear Energy Before Bombs?

48:25 - Comparison Of Nuclear And AI

52:08 - Lessons Learned From Nuclear for AI Industry

56:20 - Iran's Nuclear Program

59:38 - Funding Of IAEA

1:07:11 - The AI Race - What About China?

1:08:22 - Decentralized Surveillance

1:14:29 - Finding Meaning In A “Brave New World”

1:16:56 - Why Young People Aren't Getting Into Relationships

1:20:06 - Wireheading And Instant Gratification

1:33:42 - Techno Pastoralism

1:36:30 - Economics Of Nuclear

1:45:15 - Government Incentives

1:46:36 - Small Modular Reactors

1:53:30 - Circular Economies & Thorium

1:59:43 - Fast-tracking Nuclear Engineers

2:01:12 - Why Writing A Book Is Hellish

2:09:36 - Rapid Fire Predictions

Links:

♾️ Isabelle IG: https://www.instagram.com/isabelleboemeke?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=Y2xkOG9kd3lvdW9h

♾️ Isodope Website: https://isodope.com

♾️ Isabelle X: https://x.com/isabelleboemeke

♾️ i_sodope X: https://x.com/isodope ♾️ Rad Future: https://www.amazon.com/Rad-Future-Untold-Nuclear-Electricity/dp/0593716329

Credits:

♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree

♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico

The Win-Win Podcast:

Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins.

Podcast links:

♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f

♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350

♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2

#winwinpodcast #nuclearenergy #RadFuture

Dominic Cummings is one of the most polarizing figures in Britain. He's a political strategist who masterminded the main campaign for Brexit. He was also Chief Advisor to Prime Minister Boris Johnson for some of his term, including through COVID. He even had Benedict Cumberbatch play him in a movie! He's also a student of systems, having worked in or around government and civil institutions all his life, which is why I wanted to talk to him, because he's someone who has seen the depth of systemic rot pervading not just the UK, but the whole West.

In this wide-ranging, no-holds-barred conversation, Igor and I hear why our governments are collapsing under their own weight, the rise of algorithm-driven politics and civil service monopolies, and the general systemic dysfunctions hollowing out the West's institutions. We also explore whether scientific and technological leadership and a whole lot of radical transparency can save us — or if we’re already past the tipping point.

So if you’re craving real talk about power, governance, and what it might take to rebuild from the rubble, you'll enjoy this conversation!

Chapters:

01:51 - Is Dominic competitive?

07:30 - First Interest in Politics

12:18 - Beginning of his Euroskepticism

16:50 - The current state of the British regime

23:04 - His Time in No.10 Downing Street

33:00 - Who is actually in charge?

36:38 - More COVID screwups

40:05 - The Consciousness of the System

45:15: Avoiding Future pandemics

1:01:27 - Isn't the role of the government to provide stability?

1:07:17 - The Issue of Bureaucracy

1:11:57 - Machiavelli And Escaping the Wheel

1:15:53 - Singapore

1:19:34 - Digitizing the Government?

1:22:00 - Moloch, Incentives & Political sacrifice

1:25:28 - The Media Is A Simulation of Reality

1:29:12 - How to design better social media platforms

1:31:05 - Sensemaking in the AI age

1:37:24 - UK Grooming Gangs Coverup

1:48:21 - Political Gaslighting, Freedom of Speech & 2nd Amendment

1:50:38 - Blasphemy and Islamophobia Laws in UK

1:56:10 - The Sacred Cow of Multiculturalism

2:02:22 - Core Principles To Live By

2:07:48 - Smart vs Dumb Approaches to Regulation

2:17:05 - Rapid fire Predictions

Links:

♾️ Dominic’s X: https://x.com/Dominic2306

♾️ Dominic’s Substack: https://dominiccummings.substack.com

♾️ Simulacra and Simulation: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22613.Simulacra_and_Simulation?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_6

♾️ Moloch explainer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRz54V7rU4U

♾️ Brexit The Movie: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8425058/

♾️ Mary Wakefield (Dominic’s wife) response to the movie: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/benedict-cumberbatch-on-playing-my-husband-dominic-cummings/

Credits:

♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree

♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico

♾️ Intro by Perry Sinclair

The Win-Win Podcast:

Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into.

Win-Wins.Podcast links:

♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S

♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f

♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350

♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2

#winwinpodcast #systemchange #politics

The world is having fewer babies than ever. But how bad is this, really? What's causing it? Is there a win-win solution out there that can help people have more babies, if they want them?

In this special "Win-Win Live" event, I speak to Professor Dean Spears - a demographer and economist whose research examines the impact of population decline. He's the author of the book "After The Spike" which explores why people are choosing to have fewer babies, and the stark realities it would mean if the population continues on its current path.

As you'll see, the latter half of this conversation opens up into a group discussion with many previous Win-Win guests who I invited to join because such a complex and sensitive topic requires as many perspectives as possible! What do you think is the solution? Let me know in the comments below.

Chapters:

0:22 - Introduction to the Fertility Crisis

4:12 - Why Over-Population Isn’t A Thing

11:17 - What’s Causing It?

16:03 - Role of Social Trends

18:20 - Role of Biological Infertility & Toxins

23:10 - Wouldn’t Fewer People Take Pressure Off The Environment?

28:56 - Climate, Ocean and Other Planetary Boundaries

32:28 - Paul Erlich and Dangers of Zero-Sum Thinking

36:25 - Can’t AI & Robots Fill The Economic Gap?

42:58 - Historical Strategies That Increased Birth Rates?48:40 - Impact of Contraception

52:57 - Which Sub-Populations Are Bucking The Trend?

57:37 - How To Help Women Have Careers And Babies?

59:56 - The Issues of A Heavily Elderly Population

1:05:13 - Examples of Successful Incentives

1:09:07 - More AI Stuff

1:17:47 - Opportunity Cost Hypothesis

1:22:28 - Won’t People Just Adapt?

1:27:55 - COVID-19 And Fertility Rate

1:29:17 - Family Size Distributions

1:34:31 - Research on Declining Intimacy

Links:

♾️ Dean's Website: https://deanspears.net/

♾️ After The Spike Book - https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/After-the-Spike/Dean-Spears/9781668057339

♾️ Dean's NYTimes article: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/29/opinion/population-climate-progress.html♾️ Population Projections: https://ourworldindata.org/un-population-2024-revision

Credits:

♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree

♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico

The Win-Win Podcast:Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.

Podcast links:

♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f

♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350

♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #populationdecline #fertilitycrisis

Democracy is in deep trouble. Could replacing politicians with real data save it? In this episode Liv sits down with Jamie Joyce – founder of the Society Library — to explore one of the most urgent questions of our time: how do we make sense of complex issues in the age of misinformation, algorithmic bias, and AI slop?We hear what happens when you treat information not as content to consume, but as infrastructure to build. Jamie shares how her nonprofit is transforming fraught topics—from nuclear power to AI—into structured “libraries of reasoning” to help politicians, citizens, and even machines understand all perspectives more clearly and come to more informed conclusion.One of all you bibliophiles out there!

Chapters:

0:00 - Intro

4:30 - Diablo Canyon Debate Map

14:26 - How To Evaluate Evidence?

16:18 - How To Minimize Bias?

19:06 - How To Handle Bad Faith & Fringe Perspectives

24:16 - What About Flat Earth Type Conspiracies?

28:37 - Cyber Attacks On Internet Archive

33:54 - Modernizing Government

41:01 - The Evil of Corporate Lobbying

49:40 - Managing Info Hazards

53:19 - Society Library Virtues And Values

57:06 - When Jamie Neatly Went Blind

1:01:27 - Improving The Information Ecosystem

1:12:44 - Prediction Markets and Sense-making

1:15:25 - Structuring Data For Improved Learning

1:22:17 - Society Library Meme Token Nonsense

1:32:21 - Rapid Fire Predictions

1:38:51 - Jamie's Favorite Win-Win

Links:

♾️ The Society Library : https://www.societylibrary.org

♾️ Internet Archive : https://archive.org

♾️ Jamie’s X : https://x.com/justjamiejoyce?lang=en Credits

♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree

♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico

The Win-Win PodcastPoker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.

Podcast links

♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S

♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f

♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350

♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2

#winwinpodcast #Democracy #Sensemaking

Humanity is in a race to build superintelligent AI gods. What happens if we create beings smarter than us—and can no longer steer them?

In this special Win-Win IRL episode, Liv Boeree sits down with Anthony Aguirre (CEO of Future of Life Institute) and Malo Bourgon (CEO of MIRI) for a no-holds-barred conversation on finding alignment, avoiding power concentration and surveillance states, and the geopolitical implications of the race to AGI.

Questions include: Why can’t the market be trusted to self-regulate AI? Why does power concentration in AI pose such a massive threat to democracy? And what happens when even well-meaning developers lose control of the systems they’ve built? 

We also explore win-win solutions—from compute governance and open-source safety measures, to collaborative international treaties and new models for responsible innovation. Also keep an eye out So buckle up for a provocative episode that challenges assumptions and asks what it will really take to keep the future human.

Chapters:

0:00 - Intro

4:08 - Different Categories of Risks

10:51 - Why Can't the Market Manage AI Risks Sufficiently?

15:33 - The Dangers of Power Concentration

22:52 - What Solution Space Exists?

32:55 - Should Compute be Regulated?

38:38 - Taylor Capito - Are we at an Evolutionary Nexus

42:07 - JD Ross - Decentralization vs Centralization

46:46 - Isabelle Boemeke - Nuclear Power & AI

51:06 - Peter Wang - Wrong Stories Attract the Wrong People

57:39 - Aurora Quinn-Elmore & Eliezer Yudkowsky - Coherent Extrapolated Volition

1:05:59 - Can Win-Win be embedded into AI? 

Links: 

♾️ Keep the Future Human Paper: https://keepthefuturehuman.ai 

♾️  Future of Life Institute: https://futureoflife.org 

♾️  MIRI: https://intelligence.org 

♾️  Superintelligence Book by Nick Bostrom - https://www.amazon.com/Superintelligence-Dangers-Strategies-Nick-Bostrom/dp/0198739834

Credits:

♾️  Hosted by Liv Boeree

♾️  Produced by Luca de Vico

The Win-Win Podcast:

Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.

Podcast links:

♾️ Youtube:   https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S

♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f 

♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 

♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 

 #AGI #podcast #aialignment