<p>Dan and John start discussions of what the Cards and Cubs will look like in 2020. Neither of them is overly optimistic that their team's FO will make dramatic improvements over the winter.</p>

Dan and John start discussions of what the Cards and Cubs will look like in 2020. Neither of them is overly optimistic that their team's FO will make dramatic improvements over the winter.

"Winter gloom looms?"

Political consultants Dan Curry and John Pearman have it all backwards. Dan is a lifelong St. Louis Cardinals' fan living in the Chicago area and John is a lifelong Chicago Cubs' fan living in the St. Louis area. They mix it up every week, talking about one of baseball's best rivalries.

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