0:00 – Welcome & Introduction

Matt introduces the Off the Wire Podcast, an integrated approach to mind, body, and soul

Guest introduction: Bobo Beck, founder of Wisdom Calling

1:07 – How Matt & Bobo Met

Their story of friendship and shared passion for faith-based leadership coaching

Exploring how faith and personal growth intersect

2:48 – Bobo’s Personal Journey & Upbringing

Growing up as the youngest of 6 in Atlanta

Influenced by lifelong educator parents → exposure to growth mindset and learning culture

Childhood entrepreneurship: started a candy business in 6th grade to buy Air Jordans

8:01 – Early Leadership Development in Church & Youth Ministry

Serving in volunteer leadership roles as a teen

Learning event planning, motivating peers, leading without authority

9:47 – Redefining Leadership as Influence, Not Position

Leadership story: reimagining a missionary awareness program in college

Bobo’s philosophy: “Leadership is influence, not title”

14:01 – Leadership, Faith & Personal Development

Matt & Bobo discuss leadership as inspiring people toward a greater purpose

The role of wisdom in personal development coaching

15:15 – Wisdom Coaching: Applying Ancient Wisdom Today

Bobo’s focus on helping young professionals navigate career, calling, and faith

Biblical wisdom offers timeless guidance for modern challenges

18:45 – Holistic Wisdom for Whole-Life Coaching

Wisdom encompasses physical, emotional, relational, intellectual, and spiritual health

Bobo’s coaching process: addressing sleep, fitness, mindset, friendships, and more

23:52 – Coaching Beyond Surface Goals: Addressing the Interior Life

Helping clients move past external goals to focus on identity, soul care, and faith

Why integration > compartmentalization for sustainable growth

31:39 – The 4 Pillars of Wisdom Knowledge

Knowledge of God → foundational to wisdom

Knowledge of Self → cultivating self-awareness

Knowledge of Others → understanding relational dynamics

Knowledge of Creation → recognizing systems, structures, environment

40:16 – Overcoming Compartmentalized Living

The Western tendency toward segmented living and productivity obsession

Coaching as a safe, objective space to connect the dots between life areas

49:47 – Practical Steps for Goal Achievement

Focus on systems and habits over goals alone

Backward design: breaking 2–3 year goals into quarterly action plans

Example: growing income by $25K → mindset shifts, networking, accountability

56:56 – How to Sustain Motivation

Intrinsic vs. extrinsic motivation

Using environment design (e.g., laying out workout clothes) to trigger habits

1:01:43 – Balancing Ambition with Grace

Embrace human limitations → avoid tying self-worth to productivity

Biblical wisdom → celebrate weakness, depend on God’s strength

1:07:51 – Avoiding Productivity Idolatry

You are more than your output → resist culture’s push for endless achievement

1% daily improvement (Kaizen) as a sustainable growth mindset

1:10:54 – Connect with Bobo Beck (Wisdom Calling)

Website: wisdomcalling.org

Instagram: @wisdomcallingnow

LinkedIn: Bobo Beck

1:12:13 – Closing Prayer & Final Reflections

✅ Leadership is influence, not title → opportunities to lead are everywhere
✅ Biblical wisdom coaching integrates faith, mindset, health, and relationships
✅ Goal achievement starts with systems and habits, not willpower alone
✅ Addressing the interior life and spiritual formation leads to authentic transformation
✅ Integration over compartmentalization → live a holistic, aligned life
✅ Embrace limitations → success isn’t tied to endless output
✅ Wisdom begins with knowledge of God, self, others, and creation
✅ Focus on small daily improvements (1% better) → sustainable personal development

👉 Visit wisdomcalling.org
👉 Follow on Instagram: @wisdomcallingnow
👉 Connect on LinkedIn: Bobo Beck

Thank you for listening! If you want to find out more about Matt and how you can get coached toward your better self, visit www.matthewwireman.com and check out his Instagram account @matt.wireman