Today's guest is Doogie Horner, a comedian, author, and graphic designer. Matt and Doogie have been lifelong friends, and they sit down to discuss the elements of wisdom identified by the Self Assessed Wisdom Scale (SAWS), exploring the relationship between humor and wisdom. Please know that the purpose of this episode is not to be funny, but to discuss how humor can be used wisely. If you're looking for laughs, search for Doogie Horner and listen to his comedy album "A Delicate Man" on the same platforms you listen to this Podcast.