In this episode Geraldine talks to wise old soul Clare Condon, a woman of great integrity and leadership in the Catholic Church.

Clare has been a Good Samaritan Sister for 50 years, including 12 as congregational leader. She's also the winner of a humanitarian award by the Human Rights Commission for her work with indigenous Australiasn, asylum seekers and victims of domestic violence.

As co-chair of the National Committee of Professional Standards from 2012 to 2017 she believes there should be a better response to the church to the findings of the Royal Commission.

She suggests that creating 'Liturgies of Lamet' and 'Rituals of Sorrow' may be a way to help deal with the grief and shame of what has happened, where mere words are not enough, to welcome back victims into the church and also as a public witness to the wider community.