Smart is good. Wise is better. In this episode of The Jump Podcast, Michelle Loret de Mola and Dev Patnaik break down why today’s leaders need more than just intelligence to thrive, they need wisdom. They explore the difference between solving complicated versus ambiguous problems, why empathy and perspective are essential leadership tools, and how even titans like Elon Musk can falter without a deeper sense of judgment. From corporate burnout to Disney’s Snow White misstep, the conversation reveals how wisdom isn’t just about age or experience, it’s about seeing the whole board. And yes, there’s a robot or two.

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The Jump Podcast

The Jump Podcast features Dev Patnaik in dialogue with Michelle Loret de Mola. This is the conversation for future-focused leaders thinking about strategy, culture and leadership. The world is crazy. Everything seems to be changing, and not always in a good way. Today, business leaders are struggling to figure out avoid becoming the next Kodak, Blackberry or Blockbuster. But fear not, dear listener. Things can get better. People can do better. And the world can be better.

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