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We're deep into autumn with winter around the corner. Lee's been on jury service and Gwilym's been buying waterproofs to avoid COVID-related indoor queuing. Providing us with a contrasting view of intellectual property from America's Golden State is Christopher J. Palermo, a partner in the Palo Alto, California office of Baker Botts LLP. Chris speaks about being interviewed by Steve Jobs, the importance of university innovation to Cali's thriving IP economy, the patenting of artificial intelligence, the effect the pandemic is having on the interchange of ideas and ethical issues around IP and COVID vaccines.