"It can't just be money. It can't just be work. It can't just be hustle. Because that is exhausting."

Irene welcomes Hannah Wydeven. Together, Irene & Hannah talk about wanting to be viewed as competent, the expectations people do and don't have for women, and what it takes to be your own boss.

Hannah Wydeven is an educator and owner of Solcana Fitness in Minneapolis. She's also an improvisor and part of the Shrieking Harpies, and she hosts the Bachelor + Bachelorette podcast 'You Get A Rose."