Jim Anderson, CHNetwork's manager of clergy converts to Catholicism, joins Marcus Grodi to discuss a perplexing set of teachings from Jesus. In Luke 9:50, Jesus says "he that is not against you is for you," but then in Luke 11:23, Jesus says "he who is not with me is against me."  So which is it?  Are those outside the Church to be considered adversaries, or allies, or does it all depend on the context? Jim and Marcus look at the situations Jesus is referring to in these two passages, and try to get at what Our Lord is trying to teach us.