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Lee and Gwilym talk rock 'n roll,  meeting different US Presidents, patent eligibility, the Unwired Planet UK court decision and its international influence - and lots more - with Judge Randall Rader, Former Chief Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit. They also discuss holding hearings by videoconference following the recent decision by the European Patent Office to make ViCo the default for all hearings below appeal until autumn 2021.