On this cold artic-like day in Chicago Mike is joined by Mae Ngai, one of the most influential historians of immigration, labor, and Asian American politics. Her work has reshaped how we understand the making of "illegal immigration," the global forces behind anti‑Chinese politics, and the long arc of U.S. exclusion laws. We'll talk about how past regimes of race and labor still structure the present, and what it means to confront that history honestly.