Jurgen Appelo is the author of Management 3.0 Workout. I talk to him about motivation in organisations and the story behind the organisation Happy Melly.

Jurgen shares with us a couple of the tools he describes in his book, like the Delegation Boards and the KUDO cards.

His interview starts around 8:20 mins and before that, I share some thoughts on motivation, which you can also read on the episode4 notes on www.wlpodcast.com